Chris Ladas 0:10
How are we doing today, everyone? Thank you to Andrés and Park Street for this opportunity. I’m excited to be here today. As mentioned, I’m Chris Ladas, founder of XAL Consulting, a craft alcohol beverage consulting firm. Like many of you, I’m a small business owner continuously looking for ways to improve my business and provide better services for my clients. Throughout my career, I’ve always strived to improve sales and work smarter, not harder—which leads us to our conversation about data. Data is defined as the facts and statistics gathered together for reference or analysis. Beyond that definition, data is an asset—it is actually the single most valuable asset on the planet right now. Ninety-seven percent of brands use data to power their business opportunities, and 76% of businesses use data to form their entire business strategy. I’m here today to discuss how the two primary types of data can help brands grow efficiently and successfully.
Chris Ladas 2:05
To understand data, we must recognize the two primary categories: qualitative and quantitative data. Qualitative data consists of descriptive and conceptual findings collected through questionnaires, interviews, or observation. Analyzing qualitative data allows us to explore ideas and contextualize quantitative results. Examples include documents, photographs, audio, video recordings, descriptions, and open-ended questionnaires. In the alcohol beverage business, content analysis—categorizing verbal or behavioral feedback to classify and summarize data—is particularly relevant. For a brand in its early stages, qualitative data includes feedback on packaging, labels, taste, smell, or focus group findings. This helps assess a brand’s viability, retail appeal, value proposition, pricing, and overall market competitiveness—especially for unique or newly imported products.
Chris Ladas 4:57
Quantitative data, on the other hand, is what most people think of when referring to data. It is used when a researcher is trying to quantify a problem or address the “what” or “how many” aspects of a research question. It is data that can be counted or measured on a numeric scale. Examples include counts, measurements, sensory calculations, or the quantification of qualitative feedback—for instance, noting that 5 out of 10 consumers would drink a specific product. Quantitative data collection relies primarily on surveys (executed online via emails, QR codes, or social media) and structured interviews.
Chris Ladas 6:27
Quantitative data can be interpreted using various analytical methods, such as cross-tabulation, trend analysis, conjoint analysis, and gap analysis. Interpreting data is just as important as collecting it. For the alcohol beverage industry, quantitative data includes sales figures by case, category, account, location, or time period. This numerical data directly drives sales strategy. For example, realizing that a college-town happy hour shot program yields double the monthly depletions provides actionable data on market selection, pricing, e-commerce targeting, and on-premise to off-premise expansion strategies.
Chris Ladas 8:00
Consider a scenario where a study evaluates 500 consumers divided across regions, economic classes, and beverage preferences. Gathering feedback on taste and packaging yields qualitative data, while measuring how many participants would buy the drink, how they would consume it, and what price they would pay yields quantitative data. Combining both provides an invaluable roadmap for a brand’s go-to-market strategy.
Chris Ladas 8:37
In summary, acquiring and analyzing data is not an unnecessary or unaffordable expense for craft and emerging brands—it is an investment that prevents costly missteps. Compared to the expense of placing full-time sales representatives or launching unproven programming in a market, leveraging data allows you to operate leaner and refine your strategy for maximum effectiveness. Collecting, organizing, and analyzing available data is the difference between achieving your business goals and falling short. Thank you for your time today!
April Wachtel 0:09
Thank you so much for entertaining me here today. My name is April Wachtel, and I am the founder and CEO of Cheeky, a line of bar-quality syrups and juices for home and bar use. I also host the Movers and Shakers podcast on people and ideas changing the beverage landscape. Truly, my background is industry-first: I’ve spent 25 years in food, beverage, and hospitality. I came up through bars in Boston, worked as a brand ambassador for Bacardi, consulted for Diageo for five years in the US on-premise market, and have taught thousands of students how to make cocktails in person and online. So as I mentioned, my background is industry and product first, not business. The perspective I’m sharing today is how you slap things together from zero to launch a viable brand that ensures short-, mid-, and long-term success.
April Wachtel 1:08
If you are starting a brand or launching a new product, you aren’t starting with a completely blank slate. Whether solving an industry problem as an expert or identifying a need as a consumer, you start with a little insight—and if you play your cards right, that becomes a big insight. There is a famous, likely fake quote attributed to Michelangelo when asked how he carved the David: “I just chipped away everything that did not look like David.” Truly, I believe the role of the entrepreneur is to take a vague, amorphous idea and chip away at it over time until a clear picture of a brand sits in front of you.
April Wachtel 2:20
The three insights I started with when launching Cheeky were:
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Hospitality is personal and emotional: People feel deep connections, joy, worth, or significance around hospitality.
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Craft cocktails build connection: It’s only a small fraction about flavor—it’s mostly about the experience of having something custom-made for you, whether at a bar or at home.
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Cocktails are a giant pain to make: This applies to consumers and trade alike. Bartenders have the tools and time, but churning out volume is problematic, which is why batching exists.
If you are launching a brand, put your idea on paper—whether a cocktail napkin, Word doc, deck, or business plan. Get feedback, but remember that consumers will lie to you and say they love an idea just to be nice. The best way to get real data is to get people to commit with actual money.
April Wachtel 4:39
Always consider industry data. Current and historical market conditions are relevant, as is understanding your Total Addressable Market (TAM) based on whether you want a lifestyle business or a high-growth company. Examine competitors who have done something similar: when bootstrapping Cheeky before taking on investors, one big question was market size. Finding Fever-Tree’s annual report showing a $3.5 billion market cap proved there was ample opportunity in the premium mixer segment.
April Wachtel 6:13
When collecting data, look for patterns and outliers across sales channels. Set up multiple methods to collect both quantitative and qualitative data rather than relying on a single source. Ideally, you want a clean flow of data through a single dashboard, but in reality, early-stage businesses must cobble together different technologies and manual analysis to get actionable insights. Don’t be afraid to “scale the unscalable”: early on, I spent a lot of time talking directly to customers via phone, email, chatbots, and even hand-delivering packages in Brooklyn to gather rich qualitative feedback from super-users.
April Wachtel 8:32
What data should you track? Sales revenue and growth are obvious—including distribution points, order size, reorder rates, and sell-through. In direct-to-consumer sales, track cart size increases over time. Keep an eye on unusually large or small orders. For example, if someone orders a single $7.50 four-ounce bottle and pays $15 to $20 for shipping, it’s almost always a corporate buyer or venue evaluating the product for a larger order—so I always Google those single-bottle buyers. Additionally, track your Net Promoter Score (NPS) and real referral rates to see how customers share your brand within their networks.
April Wachtel 12:34
A few caveats to keep in mind: data is not always predictive of the future, nor is it meaningful without context. For instance, a B2B Net Promoter Score of 100 is fantastic, but B2B customers value customer service just as much as the product itself. You need supporting qualitative data to know if the product itself is truly resonating. Lastly, remember the documentary Jiro Dreams of Sushi: data collection is not a one-time exercise. You don’t measure once and get permanent answers. Evaluating your data and making perfect sushi both require a full-time, lifetime commitment. Thank you so much for your time!